This week on “Wait, Is This a romantic date?” we’re joined by Autostraddle culture editor and my m4m personals teasing hero
Shelli Nicole
! Our very own main topic recently is actually Internet dating via Instagram and we enter the specifics of that which was chosen by a jury of us to be the best queer dating app.

Shelli shares the woman knowledge and self-confidence. We express my knowledge and neuroses. And Christina is actually a really suitable student — and course clown. And to begin us off we play a casino game of Red Flags, your own attack on me personally.

PROGRAM RECORDS

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+ we have found
Shelli’s essay
about the woman cellphone that continues to leave me personally in awe.

+ This was my personal disorderly quarantine
Instagram blog post
that worked exceptionally really. (She turned into a Libra.)

+
My Kesha ballad playlist
!!

+
The unmarried
Shelli pointed out by Lex Amor.

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Shelli:

Easily have always been hanging out with some one and that I’m posting — particularly if I know that We posted something where I look so excellent that day, and also you indicate this has already been upwards right here for four hours and I also’ve already been scrolling and your small butt has not considered it however? What are you undertaking?

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Drew:

Hi, I Am Drew.

Christina:

I’m Christina.

Drew:

And thank you for visiting

Hold off, Is This a romantic date?

Christina:


Wait, Is It a night out together?

is actually an Autostraddle podcast about matchmaking.

Drew:

Where we ask the question, “Wait, is this a night out together?”

Christina:

Like, is this a romantic date?

Drew:

It is an important concern from inside the queer neighborhood, i do believe.

Christina:

It’s a question that we’re maybe not inquiring sufficient, some might state. I do believe research come in, reports are hot, and they are claiming, “We don’t understand. We simply don’t know.” Drew, you wish to tell people who you really are?

Drew:

I’m called Drew Gregory, I’m a writer for Autostraddle and that I’m a filmmaker, and I’m a trans girl, and a lesbian, and a dyke, and a faggot.

Christina:

That’s merely therefore tight. I am Christina Tucker, Im also a writer at Autostraddle. I am method of similar to a deranged queer using the internet. For fun, I recently learned that I’m not sure how-to lace right up footwear, that was something we learned about myself nowadays. Truly a great quest to be on. In addition have always been a lesbian, i’m a Black lesbian. Additionally sorts of a faggot, let’s be honest.

Drew:

Very much thus.

Christina:

Like let’s be honest, let’s not pretend. Ended up being we enjoying a live type of “For Good” like three mere seconds before we hopped onto this recording? Nobody can state certainly. There is no proof excluding the photo I delivered Drew, but there is no proof of it.

Drew:

Yeah, I was attending state, I am able to say for sure. I will say certainly.

Christina:

Reasonable sufficient. Would you like to perform a-game, Drew?

Drew:

Oh my God, i’d love to perform a game title.

Christina:

Okay, which means this game — we had an extremely focused game at me a week ago.

Drew:

It really is real.

Christina:

Which was very fun, so we believed you need to focus on Drew.

Drew:

Oh guy.

Christina:

And this is labeled as “warning flags.” Therefore I’m going to explain a discussion, somewhat scenario, individuals, a minute in Drew’s relationship, and I’m simply browsing give you, we’re just planning to undergo this little relationship thereshould be a couple of red flags that come upwards, therefore wewill see what will be the red flag that produces Drew say, “I’m away, i got eventually to call it.”

Drew:

Okay.

Christina:

I think it will probably happen. I’m curious to see if it will happen.

Drew:

For The context, We’ll allow you to begin, if I require more context I’ll—

Christina:

No, should you, no I know you want framework just what exactly context would you like? Because i’ve some it, jot it.

Drew:

Needs all of it.

Christina:

You prefer everything, okay. So you were on an internet dating app, it doesn’t matter which. The thing is a hot girl, you are like, “Yeah, that is the stuff I like.” She is had gotten a great bio, it really is small, its to the level, you guys matched, she messages you quickly. You’re currently into that. Everybody’s shocked. You have got great banter and she wants your quantity following messages and immediately claims, “Want to meet for a drink this tuesday?” Whoa, this is exactly hot. This is certainly hot stuff. All of you meet up, the vibes are fantastic. Listed here is your first red flag, she makes use of the term “wanderlust” in actuality.

Drew:

My goal is to point out that I’m going to stick to this day because We have stayed on times with folks who check-out Burning Man. Therefore, let us ensure that it it is heading.

Christina:

Let’s ensure that it it is going. This woman is an Aquarius.

Drew:

Okay. Oh, that’s another red flag.

Christina:

You’re nevertheless in. Ok last one, we are simply attending hit warning flag today.

Drew:

I’m honestly maybe not scared of these after all. This is certainly, its a red-flag in the same way so it needs to be a red-flag for me personally because my mother’s an Aquarius, my ex is an Aquarius, they’d equivalent birthday, too much to unpack indeed there. I have asserted that i might performed with Aquariuses, but on top of that, I obviously like Aquariuses, therefore.

Christina:

Okay, so wewill excersice on. Yeah, that’s fine.

Drew:

Wait, hold off, I have a question. Well, perchance you’ll will this, exactly what is the lady exact birthday celebration? It Isn’t Really—

Christina:

I didn’t compose an exact birthday for this person.

Drew:

Okay, cool, provided that it is not February 4th.

Christina:

It’s not, and that I performed understand this in regards to you and I ended up being wanting to recall the mom’s birthday celebration, but I imagined easily texted you, that could be a red flag within friendship and also this podcast tracking. So I did not do that.

Drew:

Okay, carry on.

Christina:

She discusses their ex perhaps not nonstop, but a respectable amount for a primary day.

Drew:

I am there. Yeah, which is okay.

Christina:

Okay, which is fine. Now we will move forward. We have now gone previous go out one. You said date one is great. We have been in, let’s say time three today.

Drew:

Okay.

Christina:

You have not slept collectively however, that does feel vital that you say, but according to how present time goes, perhaps you will.

Drew:

Have actually we generated ?

Christina:

You have certainly produced out.

Drew:

Okay.

Christina:

You aren’t a decade outdated, come on now.

Drew:

You will find certainly already been on first times where we don’t make-out, but that is cool yeah.

Christina:

We mentioned next date, so…

Drew:

Oh proper, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Christina:

She lets you know that she does not really have a job just as much as she is only affluent and seeking for determination, anywhere she can find it.

Drew:

Okay, which means this positively forces me towards like, i am dropping interest, but I’m going to stay on the time.

Christina:

You will stick to the time?

Drew:

Yeah.

Christina:

Definitely fantastic. The second red-flag, she informs you, once again, on day three, that she’s maybe not skipped a Coachella nor a Burning Man since she was actually 17.

Drew:

I am to my way out the door, but not actually.

Christina:

Okay, okay.

Drew:

I have determined that I am not attending have sex with this particular person.

Christina:

You’re merely — ok you have determined you are not heading have intercourse.

Drew:

But i am nevertheless gonna remain.

Christina:

You’re not attending right away get fully up and then leave?

Drew:

Correct.

Christina:

So listed here is another question next, will you, after that day has ended after it obviously wraps up, are you going to follow through?

Drew:

Exactly how in the morning we carrying out emotionally in my own life?

Christina:

Well Drew, that i just are unable to answer for you, bitch.

Drew:

I’ll state perhaps not, but part of myself really wants to determine if you really have another base, the second thing you’re say is, is the fact that possibly, truly.

Christina:

Okay, therefore had you maybe not determined after rich and simply appearing.

Drew:

Here’s the thing. If someone was basically to every Coachella and Burning Man and had been a bit less determined about this — it’s the commitment to, “i really could never overlook this,” with the, “I’m simply rich and don’t have a job.”

Christina:

Yeah Drew, we made a horror available.

Drew:

Yeah.

Christina:

That is what I became carrying out, that has been the intention.

Drew:

I simply wouldn’t like anyone who has visited Coachella, I do not would like them feeling — or consuming Man even — enjoy it’s good, I am not judging you. I Simply, in any event—

Christina:

Im a little bit.

Drew:

Okay, great. What’s the the next thing, that was the next thing you had been attending say?

Christina:

Therefore imagine then, you probably did maybe not leave that date, perchance you slept with each other. Perhaps you did.

Drew:

Okay.

Christina:

What if you’re like monthly into this and she is somebody who only does not answer messages for the full a couple of days occasionally and reappears without any description?

Drew:

Oh see, that is fantastic. That will get me personally, that could generate me personally, that would drive me crazy and I could be involved with it.

Christina:

And that’s the thing that you will be into, sure. Okay. Therefore state you have been internet dating for three months and she lets you know she is never ever look over whatever you’ve written?

Drew:

Ooh, which is interesting. I simply have no idea how exactly we would get there because i am slightly obnoxious and I also feel like there are so many times where I’ll be having a discussion with somebody and become similar, “Oh, actually We published a piece about that. I could deliver it to you if you want to understand.” So-like, I Assume—

Christina:

Yes, I know that about you, it turns out.

Drew:

Therefore then it would mean that like, did she lie about checking out all of them? Performed she only state, “Oh, we’ll read it,” and I failed to follow through because I’m not that ridiculous? I might state… but if i have been online dating this individual for a few months, there’s a great deal otherwise happening there psychologically that like — because Really don’t date men and women for three months. We often embark on two dates with some body or I have outdated all of them for some time, generally there needs to be something’s actually unique there. And so I do not think — i believe I wouldn’t arrive at 90 days with this particular individual.

Christina:

No, I do not believe you would either. I simply wanted to see just what you would respond to that one. The Past any I’d was that you are currently internet dating for half a year and she found your household and she became extremely near together and started spending time with them without letting you know, and I had been like, that feels like—

Drew:

Yeah, that would never ever happen.

Christina:

Too far.

Drew:

Unless she was a direct woman for some reason, very after that…

Christina:

Well, crazier stuff has taken place, received.

Drew:

That might be the greatest red-flag of all of the.

Christina:

I believe it was really beneficial. I think something which’s fun about each of the games that individuals’ve starred each different, is the fact that a couple of united states happened to be similar, “Ooh, but I need a little bit of context, like what’s happening in my life that I’m generating most of these selections?” And that’s always maybe not area of the game that we’re undertaking, but…

Drew:

However now really.

Christina:

Now it is, today it’s.

Drew:

Very yeah.

Christina:

Nowadays we could speak about all of our primary subject, that we think is likely to be really fascinating, mainly for my situation as someone who does not do everything we’re planning to talk about. And whatever you’re about to talk about is DM sliding, Instagram dating.

Drew:

Yeah.

Christina:

All of that method of enjoyable hoe shit.

Drew:

Insta Story connected online dating? I’m in addition excited. I really do do this thing alot, but Im thrilled because I’m going to study from a specialist, our very own guest, Shelli Nicole.

Christina:

All of our visitor, Shelli, I just desire everybody to place their unique fingers together for Shelli Nicole. Ah, the competition goes wild.

Shelli:

Hold off, is it possible to chat today?

Drew:

Yeah.

Christina:

Yeah, positively.

Drew:

You intend to present your self, Shelli?

Christina:

You intend to tell us about your self? Reveal who you are, reveal exactly what your bargain is actually.

Shelli:

Yeah. Okay, yeah. My personal bargain, my personal offer. I am Shelli, I am Culture publisher at Autostraddle, freelance publisher someplace else, super dyke, really scared of mermaids, youngsters, and mermaids which are teens in specific. Thus yeah, that is my small lovable deal. I am very hot.

Christina:

Can verify.

Drew:

Yes, can verify.

Shelli:

Many thanks.

Christina:

Notoriously an audio medium, but i recently need to verify the audience.

Shelli:

Precisely why I put that nowadays, in case. I want to pull them in. Yeah, but that’s myself.

Christina:

Yeah, definitely. We have been therefore excited having you on also to explore this, because again, it isn’t really some thing I do. I know it’s a thing that Drew does. I’m sure that is a Drew pastime. Therefore perhaps we have to begin here. It never is like an excellent major activity, it is like a great time activity, more than a what’s really attending arrive of this knowledge. So, particular keep in touch with me regarding what happens in the DM slides in addition to Instagram tales plus the social networking you kids are jibber jabbering about, we’ll just be grandpa over right here.

Shelli:

Drew, would you like to get initially?

Drew:

Oh, well i’m like we possibly acknowledge this, correct myself basically’m completely wrong, but In my opinion Instagram is the best queer dating software.

Shelli:

1000 percent. Simple fact is that greatest.

Christina:

You will find heard this off their queers.

Shelli:

Completely. It gives you you actually everything you need, except if somebody’s personal, but even though you’re personal, child, We’ll know exactly about you in some form of way. Think its great is best.

Drew:

Wait, i do want to notice a lot more about that. I want to hear more and more that for the reason that it’s like my — I am not sure what to do. When anyone tend to be private plus they struck on myself. I am like, I can’t do anything with you. Like, sorry.

Shelli:

Precisely what do you desire me to do because of this? Very generally 50percent of that time as I find an individual who’s exclusive on their primary page, in their bio they possibly have a webpage or obtained an at to whatever they carry out IRL. Lately, this occurred virtually maybe 2 days back, this cook chick slid inside my DMs, and I also was love, “Great, Really don’t prepare, you’re scorching, let us see what this pertaining to.” Boom, exclusive. And I also said Goddamn, in their unique bio that they had a web link on their internet site, however they’d the ats of their cook web page for the cafe which they benefit, so however we went there and I also’m want, ok, making this the bistro. They’re such as the head chef truth be told there, needless to say they are going to be tagged someplace in the pictures.

Christina:

Right.

Shelli:

Very I then returned to her page, viewed the woman photograph, I became like, I think i obtained a small amount of whom this can be. Then went over to the restaurant page, definitely discovered this lady, subsequently struck up those tagged pictures.

Christina:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Shelli:

In which case her friends tag the woman inside, and I also just kept going through the bistro’s web page until I found sufficient pictures in which I found myself like, “Yeah, I would make out along with you,” and then I went back toward DM and that I had been like, “Oh, thus let me know more!” Like, I don’t know everything currently.

Drew:

Incredible.

Christina:

This can be incredible.

Shelli:

Yeah, it’s a fun game. Yeah, a sapphic sleuth, if you will. I adore it.

Christina:

I absolutely will, please see Shelli’s spinoff podcast,

Sapphic Sleuths.

Can’t wait a little for that.

Shelli:

Legit with love, if people were to transmit myself things such as, “Oh, this individual’s blocked.” Child, I Managed To Get you. I would ike to allow you to, I got you, ten minutes. 10 minutes, ten bucks. I acquired you.

Christina:

Includes a tagline and everything, I love it. Drew, what is your own MO? Like, what is the feeling? How-do-you-do this?

Drew:

On Instagram?

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

Yeah, hm, which is a very great question. I’m like I really don’t follow back unless some one is not exclusive, which has been normally how I work. I am not sure, it really seems — you are appropriate, it is reduced limits in the sense that, I don’t know. When someone’s hot in addition they stick to myself and so they look cool, i shall follow all of them right back, but i shall in addition say for the reason that — this is so that ridiculous because You will find like 4,000 supporters or something like that, it is not, i really do not need many fans, but because Autostraddle is available in a specific field in the gay internet, I’ve had getting a bit more… I am not sure, there is a vibe that I can grab, i do believe occasionally, of whether i am… I feel as you’re doing all of your very own circumstances, you’re hot, you’re cool. In addition to, which is most likely exactly who I would be into, is actually someone who has their own life and it is performing their own circumstances. Plus it doesn’t feel just like an admirer thing?

Christina:

Precisely.

Drew:

Because that simply extends to dynamics that I discovered never operate. It doesn’t {mean that|imply that|sig